We look back to 2002, soon after the chef first achieved global attention, with an interview published in The Caterer
Tributes following the death last week of the American chef, author and television personality Anthony Bourdain at the age of 61 were wide and effusive. In 2000, Bourdain, then the executive chef of Les Halles in New York, gained global recognition following the publication of his book, Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly. The book not only propelled the chef onto the global stage as an erudite and gifted writer, but also exposed the extensive drug-taking that was rife in kitchens. In our own tribute to Bourdain, who spoke at The Caterer's Chef Conference in 2002 at the Hilton London Metropole, we are republishing the interview he gave to the magazine six months earlier.
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Promoting Kitchen Confidential in the UK has meant that Bourdain has spent a lot of time in London, and he says that many of his favourite restaurants are here.
Nevertheless, he feels that London's dining- out scene lags behind New York by a few years. It will catch up only when the average member of the public starts being an avid sushi eater, he says. "The most important moment in culinary history in New York was when sushi became popular and I think that's the last barrier you have left here.
Sadly, some of the USâs less-positive trends have made it to the UK and Bourdain
admits to feeling shame at the enormous proliferation of American fast-food
outlets here, the number of people drinking cheap American beer âwhen you produce some of the finest beers in the worldâ, and the emergence of US-style Mexican restaurants.
âWe make crap versions of Mexican food in New York. And here there are crap
versions of what was already crap in America. That disturbs me immensely.â
He is also disturbed by the emergence of people he describes as âfood nazisâ here â" those who now refuse to eat beef and lamb because of BSE and foot-and-mouth scares.
âUsing steroids to improve meat? If it makes it taste better, then I donât care as long as I donât grow breasts overnight. Iâm always happy to sacrifice a year of my life to have fun now,â he says. âPeople seem to take the whole food scares thing too seriously. My god, do people really want to live forever?â
A Cookâs Tour
Between December last year and July this year, backed by his publisher and US television channel Food Network, Bourdain travelled to 13 countries â" including Japan, Russia, Australia, Morocco, Vietnam, Cambodia and Cuba â" to try the food. During the trip he tried everything from boiled iguana to tree grubs. The experience has changed his perspective on food in two key ways.
First, he has learned that the more refrigeration in a country, the less fresh the food. âIn Vietnam you hardly see proper refrigeration, but the food is spectacularly fresh and colourful and crunchy. In Mexico, if you want to eat turkey, you have to go and kill it first.â
Second, Bourdain is no longer happy to waste food, because for the first time in his life he had to look dinner in the eyes. Rather than phoning a supplier to order meat, he watched as sheep, pigs and other animals were slaughtered for him â" a
disturbing experience, yet one that has made him want to use every last morsel.
His favourite countries for cuisine during the trip were Vietnam and Japan. He claims that everything he tried in Vietnam was good and he was bowled over by the passion of the people for their food. In Japan, meanwhile, he describes a visit to the famous Tsukiji fish market and eating edo (fish-based) sushi as life-changing experiences for a chef.
However, his travels will not make him more creative, he warns. âAny chef who goes to Vietnam and comes back and starts cooking with coconut milk and lemongrass probably shouldnât be a chef at all.â
In fact, Bourdain is extremely self-effacing. He admits that he has never been a culinary genius: rustic French cooking has been his love â" cassoulets, boudins, entrecÃ"tes and the like. He says he hopes to continue to be involved with Les Halles in New York as executive chef for some time to come, although these days he is very much a part-timer because of his publishing commitments.
âI swan in and out of there when I can. But to my total shame and discomfort I have a chef de cuisine who does all the work while I take the credit.â
He is adamant that in the future he will never own his own restaurant, as he regards this as a sure-fire way to lose a lot of money. And he doesnât want a career in television either. âGod not TV â" no. I donât want to be a TV personality loved by civilians. I want to be loved by chefs and as far as Iâm concerned the film of my travels is 22 halfhours of expensive home movie â" itâs me doing just what I wanted.
âI never anticipated Kitchen Confidential becoming so big, so I donât know what
comes next. But I wonât be totally miserable if the whole writing thing goes sour in a couple of years and I end up cooking eggs benedict in some little restaurant where no one knows who I am. I wouldnât be unhappy with that at all.â
Kitchen Confidential
Asked whether the industry in New York has already changed significantly since the 1970s and 1980s â" the era he portrayed so vividly in Kitchen Confidential â" Bourdainâs answer is an equivocal âyes and noâ.
Chefs are still the same cynical, proud, passionate, paranoid and battered breed
they always were, he says, but these days the professionalism in kitchens is far superior.
Nobody spits in or sabotages food any more â" âI havenât seen that for 20 yearsâ â"and sex and drugs are now purely afterwork activities for most chefs.
âIf youâre still doing cocaine in New York, chances are youâre hiding it from your friends. Itâs not a good thing at all. Youâll inevitably screw up if you do it. And youâll screw up even more quickly if you do heroin. Iâd be the last person in the world to say donât take drugs for moral reasons â" Iâm still a big pothead on my days off â" but when cocaine is the main priority in your life, itâs not conducive to making good food. I know â" I did so much of that 20 years ago, I know.
âIf you do cocaine, your attention span is much reduced. Youâll be grinding your teeth, eyes wandering around, sweating and, in the end, youâll cheat one way or the other â" youâll cheat on the food, or youâll steal, or youâll borrow money. And, if you come anywhere near my kitchen, Iâll fire your arse.â
The ritual initiation and humiliation of chefs that Bourdain describes in the book
is still very much part and parcel of kitchen life in New York.
âBetter to find out early if someone can handle the pressure of the kitchen by yelling at them, than to discover they freak out on the first busy Saturday night a few weeks in,â he asserts. âWhat looks like bullying to an outsider, thatâs simply the way we talk to each other in the kitchen. Just because you call someone a âtreacherous scum pigâ doesnât mean you donât love âem.â
Bourdain basics
Favourite places to eat in New York âBarney Greengrass delicatessen in Manhattan and Veritas restaurant, 43 East 20th Street.â
Favourite places to eat in London âGordon Ramsay, St John and Alastair Little.â
Most memorable restaurant meal âThe French Laundry in Napa Valley, California. I ate 20 courses over six-and-a-half hours and it was the most amazing, technically well-thought-out food Iâve ever eaten.â
Favourite country in terms of its cuisine âVietnam. If I could get on a plane and go anywhere to eat, it would be there.â
The weirdest thing ever eaten âThe still-beating heart of a cobra in Vietnam, washed down by its blood â" itâs a delicacy there.â
The most awful thing ever eaten âNato in Japan. I love everything Japanese except nato, which is made from fermented soya beans. They eat it for breakfast and itâs like a bowl of cold mucus.â
Least-favourite TV cookery programme âThe one with Ainsley Harriott. And Iâm happy to go on the record with that. My god, those shows are awful.â
Bourdain: a biography
Anthony Bourdainâs career began in the early 1970s with a holiday job as a dishwasher in a diner in Provincetown, Massachusetts. It was here that he fell in
love with kitchen culture. After dropping out of university in his home town of
New York, Bourdain enrolled at the Culinary Institute of America. In 1998, he became executive chef at Brasserie Les Halles in New York and continued a long-term relationship with the restaurant long after he was no longer employed there.
The early, turbulent years of his career formed the basis of his autobiographical book Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly, which later inspired a US television series starring Bradley Cooper.
Bourdain went on to pen Medium Raw: A Bloody Valentine to the World of Food and the People Who Cook, A Cookâs Tour, The Nasty Bits and Anthony Bourdainâs
Les Halles Cookbook, alongside numerous articles in newspapers in the US and the UK.
His writing led him to a television career, which included A Cookâs Tour, Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations and Top Chef. He also appeared alongside Nigella Lawson as a judge on The Taste, who described him as âthe Mick Jagger of foodâ.